How do ADCs keep up their CS come the mid and late stages of the match? What are lane assignments? Snacky explains…
Did you know: Viktor is currently ranked 8th for average most damage dealt to champions? The second in the category of “Battlemage”/Control Mage, after Karthus.
Footage from: April 25, 2020
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[0:00] Mages and Bot Lane Discussion
[3:59] In-Game Start (Viktor Bot)
[7:07] The Question: How to CS as ADC after laning phase
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Mages tend to scale better with levels… sort of. Their abilities tend to get a little more power per level compared to ADC abilities, their ultimates tend to be a little more important than ADC ultimates, and they tend to scale slightly worse with gold than ADCs (specifically those building crit), and they tend to be better at solo killing and hence better at roaming and making use of the level advantage. It's not a universal truth though, hence the overlap with mages going bot/support and ADCs going mid/top.
I feel like not having mages bot has less to do with mages and their scaling, but more to do with the idea that you need an ADC in the game somewhere and they struggle in a solo lane because they need items
@12:29 Moments like these, makes me want to uninstall League. wtf are you supposed to do with mixed signals like this coming from the team? @12:29
15:30 so many wards in the pit lmao
I think that Mages are better for ganking/roaming/helping their jungler if they need help, rather than an ADC who is going to be weak + usually little/no CC. Plus levels increase damage from abilities, which mages rely on more than ADCs.
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i mean if ur playing in silver.. they dont understand the importance of farming thus they will flame u if u go to farm and they lose a 4v5, thats when u mute all and take all cs and jg camps
I thought elec was the best rune on victor bot?
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Mages typcialy have linear graphs of power vs gold whereas an adcs grpah would be more exponential. A mage with ludens will almost always be more powerful just damage wise than an adc with one item. Additionally, traditionally mages have more utility in their kits (especially basic abilitties) which adcs lack. Adcs are in a much more perilous position due to how hard they spoke with items. It's definitely more clear in a game like DotA where dying is super detrimental but again most mages just need to get to ludens to have some significant level of usefulness. Just look at ziggs vs sivir/jinx in terms of wave clear or vs ezreal/cait in terms of poke. As early as level 5 ziggs (with lost chapter) can already out wave clear and out poke adcs and to a dramatic extent who would only equivalently have a bf sword. An adcs power just typically isn’t in their kits alone so gold is more important hence why it’s beneficial to have them supported. I think it’s better to think of it not as getting solo xp or not getting solo xp but as having a supper or not. So syndra vs adcs is actually still favorable due to the ability to cripple enemy adcs who is more reliant than she is on gold which is a trade off for her passive being delayed.
How is it ur assigned wave mid when ur botlane adc?
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Mid and late cs'ing in lower elo is hard if you win lane, because you cant push past river unless your team is also pushing mid and/or you have vision jungle. That is why going mid is the safest bet both for your safety being with the support and for the support to have easy access to ward jungle objectives. Sadly top and mid laners have a tendency of also being bot so all 3 laners end up sharing exp and gold midlane.
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Against voli and a sylas jung, phase rush would have been far better than aery. Aery is alright, but Dun, the highest ranked NA Vik main only runs comet and rush now, occasionally electrocute against squishy champs with low mobility e.g. Cass.
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that gragas was psychotic lmao
Less levels?
Fewer*
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wait so I'm still confused as to why mages are good in the bot lane
I love how more people are opening up to the idea of ap carries it adds more counterplay and it is honestly about time since G2 has been doing it for more than a year already
5:51 Me tryna shoot my shot
12:09 is that sound game related? lol
no1 gives a fuck about their own adc in lower elos. if mid and top ping some1 off a wave they leave it for them, if the adc does it theyre ignored and push another one. every1 in the game will rotate to a wave the adc already csing and split the wave or even ulti it and take everything, even the fucking support. your whole team will kill themselves trying to dive the enemy adc but wont peel for their own even if the game depends on it. if your support runs it down and the enemy adc starts crushing the map cuz hes 5 kills and 3 lvls and 50 cs ahead, its the adcs fault. its a shitty thankless role that needs to win lane abnormally hard just to play the game and be relevant, and if the jungler isnt 0/12 then everything is the adcs fault.
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ive noticed that recently levels are so important now compared to gold unlike before it was all gold
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14:10 didnt know Viktor's ult gives vision
In what situations is it better to go mage instead of an adc? What conditions?
Me trying to CS as the ADC
My support: 10:57
Thank you Sneaky, Thank you editor
They're also viable right now because burst mages like Syndra shit on Aphelios and meta adcs. They slot into the meta very well right now :^)
Also.. what about freezing waves for late game csing. that's what people should be doing. amirite lads KEKW
The “reason” why more aren’t played bot is because mages have a much quicker spike than ad’s who often take 2-3 items to get online whereas a syndra only needs a ludens to one shot. If you put them mid they spike even quicker and on top of that can pressure the map better than any ad can.
low elo: reminds me when jgl for once had a brain and tells me (adc) to farm mid for IE bc he was hovering around for more safety, midlaner comes, os wave and pushes to t2 of enemy, me going to own t2 botlane bc wave just arrived there and fight breaking out top and instantly getting called dogsh*t afk adc lmao
Sneaky senpai! I have difficulty reaching 300 cs in 20mins in solo q, at 10-15 mins in my elo is bloodbath, I want to farm and chill but there are clashes everywhere. Teach us how to rotate effectively senpai
I think the main reason mages are played mid, is because they spike earlier and can have more roaming impact. The exceptions would be lucian/ezreal e.g. because they're kind of ad casters in a sense.
15:05 Jose Altuve’s buzzer
a big problem that I have these days is not getting any farm from 25 to 40 mins, and it's mostly due to my team not assigning any lanes. Usually my toplane fiora farms both bot and mid , and the whole blueside, and my midlaner gets the toplane. So im usually stuck getting raptors + 3 casters for 15 minutes. This season I've been in gold/plat/diamond and it happened everywhere. Not even talking bout the games where my support swain needs to catch waves. I honestly think that the rest of the map doesn't really understand the role of the adc, most players barely swap lanes, they don't get that a pushed top lane is not safe for the adc, or that bot side is not an option because you can't get to baron in time
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"I don't know what to say"
Proceeds to spend 20 minutes going into the details of CSing late game
So why didn't he go for a zhonyas this game? The enemy had 4 AD and were pretty dive heavy. Was he safe enough with his "self peel" and Yuumi?
"how do I maintain cs" is still a better question than "do you have any general tips on climbing out of x rank?". Both those questions still suck but I see the latter question way more often and it's infuriating
Hey guys any tips! Im watching sneaky's plays even in his team plays to have some techniques to win as an adc too but im currently hardstuck plat on ph server T_T I need hewlp! Also support my newly channel,im posting league contents too >~<
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